"MORMONISM"  COMMENTS

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LMAO - - - - Citizen Atheist, you are such a douche!  You're as obnoxious as a pair of MORMON MISSIONARIES.  I always marvel at how egotistical and narcissistic many atheists seem to be.  You think that claiming atheism is a badge of intellectualism?  For your information, ignoramus, I know Gavas personally and he is ANYTHING but "undereducated."  I was a college professor for three years at a prestigious university in Utah and know something about education.  I hold two Masters and a PhD in the behavioral sciences but know very little about quantum mechanics.  Does that make me "under" educated?  If your IQ is anywhere near that of Gavas you wouldn't be making such an ass of yourself arguing that atheism isn't a belief system.  What a joke!  Yes, Citizen, you're an ass.  A DUMB-ASS  < ---  see the hyphen?

Dr Luciani    (received 05-11-12)

 

Dear Gavas,

The atheist just doesn't get it.  Reminds me of Paul Revere's ride: "A little light in the belfry" :-)  The topic totally escaped him/her because it is quite apparent he/she wanted to use this forum to push his/her own agenda. Why else would this idiot put his/her blog link in his/her comment? What a ridiculous douche. I mean really, Citizen, get a life! Your position is without merit.  Atheism IS a belief system because you don't KNOW that God doesn't exist anymore than the Pope KNOWS that He (or She)  does. If you can't see that, there is something seriously wrong with your logic.

Gavas, it might interest you to know, by the way, that "Undereducated", with or without a hyphen are both correct.

Elize Luzaan  (received 05-09-12)

 

Dear Citizen Atheist,

I am neither misinformed nor am I "undereducated" (under-educated requires a hyphen, by the way).  I will match my education with yours any day, any time.  A classic symptom of being under-educated is attacking those with opposing opinions, calling them names and being otherwise insulting.    I stand by my opinion that Atheism is a belief system because, as I stated before: "YOU CANNOT PROVE A NEGATIVE."  So I guess we'll just have to 'agree to disagree' on this one.  

GaVaS  (05-08-12)    http://gavas.com/Scrooges_Blog/

 

Dear Editor,

Wow.  You have been misinformed.  If Atheism is a belief system, then not collecting stamps is a hobby and bald is a hair color.  There is no system.  We don't attend Atheist meetings every sunday.  We don't have a creed. We don't have a doctrine.  There is no system.

 

We don't have "faith" that God does not exist.  We see no evidence that God exists.  There is a difference. Atheists don't believe in the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, the Invisible Pink Unicorn or the Bogey Man either.  We don't feel any cosmic angst for not believing in Osiris, Ra, Thor, Wotan or the Great Ju-ju of the Mountain.  Nor do we feel any angst for not believing in Yahweh, the bronze-age Hebrew war god.

 

You have a strange view of Atheism.

 

Agnosticism is wishy-washy, mamby-pamby, fence-sitting.  The chance that God exists is not exactly 50%.  If you truly believe that, then you don't really have any critical thinking skills and/or are woefully undereducated. Which one is it for you?  I'm guessing undereducated, as evidenced by your view of what an Atheist is.

Citizen Atheist  (received 05-08-12)

 

Dear Citizen Atheist,

I don't entirely disagree. My intent is to help those misguided out of a trap, not to convert them to another.  Atheism is a belief system and therefore no different than religion. Atheists take it on 'faith' (belief) that God does not exist. As you pointed out, it can't be proven that God exists.  It also holds true that it cannot be proven that God does not. This is not open minded and, as greater minds than ours have pointed out, 'it is impossible to prove a negative'.  Agnosticism, on the other hand IS open minded. We can't know God is and we can't know God isn't. And  IF  IT is, we can't know, with our finite minds, exactly  WHAT  IT is.

Thx for your input,

Gavas   (05-08-12)

 

Dear Editor

Why not escape religion altogether instead of trying to pretend that one imaginary friend is real and another isn't.  The truth is, none of them can be proven.  Therefore, none should be taken as fact.

Check out my blog at http://citizen-atheist.blogspot.com    (received 05-08-12)

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Dear Editor,

Seems like your reply to Janice has silenced your critics.

STS   (received  03-10-12)

Dear Janice,

I challenge you to point out just one single statement in my article which is not factual.  If you can do so, I'll give you as much space as you want to explain how, where and why my article is erroneous.  But I must warn you, quoting Mormon scripture will be a waste of your time for the simple reason that I have already demonstrated, with historical and theological facts, what a pant-load of crap Mormon scripture happens to be.  So study your history of Christianity, traditional, orthodox, and gnostic, then study Roman Emperor Constantine's Council of Nicea held in 325 (ce), and then study the historical record and archaeological artifacts in the Americas which paint a clear picture of the indigenous peoples on both continents.  After you've done that, and you have an intelligent and informed rebuttal which proves I am in error, you shall have all the space you need to show me how, where and why I am wrong.

With regard to your missionaries, let them come with the General Authorities and I alone will still have them out-gunned with facts and the truth.

GaVaS  05-02-10

 

Dear Editor,

You should talk to some missionaries to get a better understanding about Mormonism.  You say your article is based on facts.  Well you should get your facts straight.

Janice Gentry  (received  05-01-10)

 

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Hello Gavas,

I agree with you fully that mormonism is a homophobic, socialist, hypocritical cult. Being a former member of it myself, I have seen the difference between reality and the shelter they put up to keep out the outside world. I've seen what they do to people and how they create an entire race of brainwashed sheep unable to think for them selves. I would like to lend my hand in support of anything that might help save people from this brainwashing any faster.
Please let me know what I can do to help control this virus.

Utah Renegade  (received  11-07-10)

 

Dear Renegade,

I must correct you in that I did not write that Mormonism is "homophobic" or "socialist".  However, I do agree with you that they are homophobic, that is a 'given'. But Socialist?  That would need a little clarification: Within their social order they most certainly are.  But outside of it and world wide, in fact, they are Capitalist with a capital "C."  They are also very secretive about their thousands of business interests around the world.  I'm sure this is so they can retain their 'tax exempt' status as a bona fide religion.

Thanks for your input,

GaVaS   (11-11-10)

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Dear Gavas,

Why don't you build another room for these dumb-asses?  Unfortunately, your Letters to the Editor is becoming a forum for fanatic Mormons who's "mindless dribble" as you describe it, is taking up too much space that could be used for other comments about other rooms on your website.  The Thomas Paine articles certainly deserve more room for correspondence than these mindless Mormons are getting.  If these 'dumb-asses' want to see their dribble in print, give them a room of their own where they can all feel good about themselves.  I picture the Mormon's Heaven as a place separate from the rest of the Heavens.  It has a very high wall around it with sound proofing and has no windows or doors.  That way they can all believe they're the only ones that got in to heaven.

LuLu  (received 12/14/09)

 

Dear LuLu,

I think that's a brilliant suggestion.  From this point and afterward the party crashers who were not invited to visit the EX-MORMON room will find their mindless dribble in a separate room.  If the party crashers actually do contribute anything worth the while of intelligent, thinking people, all their letters to the Editor shall henceforth be forwarded to the  Mormon Moron's Mindless Dribble Room . . . . Thanks LuLu for such an splendid idea!

GaVaS  12-14-09

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RIGHT ON, Gavas !!!  This is great entertainment.  It's better than a classic comedy.  These Mormons (excuse me, I meant to say "Morons") have not a clue how ridiculous they are and what a laughable, comical exhibit of stupidity they expose themselves to be.  Right On, Gavas !!!  I'm only sorry to read that you won't be posting anymore of these dumb-ass's letters.  Trust me,  they make me laugh until my sides hurt.  It's better than South Park!!!

Dave Taylor   (received 12/13/09)

P.S.  Dr. Luciani,  will you marry me?

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I have read the article and it help me so much to understand more the LDS doctrine and to strengthen more my testimony of the truthfulness of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Days Saints, and of the prophetic calling of Joseph Smith,  if you would you able to see with your heart you will be able to understand what you think will damage the faith of the saints and you will be able to embrace the truth.  Thanks again,

sego rozo  (asidefacil09@gmail.com) (received  12/12/09)

 

Dear sego (BOZO) rozo ,

Again, one more example of Mormons crashing a party they are not invited to.  And another example of Mormons having nothing intelligent to say.  I invited anyone who can prove me wrong to write in and do so.  So far, as I expected, no mormon has attempted to contradict the facts.  All they can contribute, like sego rozo the Bozo, is mindless dribble.  As Dr Luciani pointed out, this section of gavas.com is reserved for EX-mormons who need a little help clearing their minds of the lies and indoctrinations of the CULT called the Mormon Church.  I have no intention or desire to "damage the faith of the saints" as you suggested, dumb- ass.  AGAIN, THE SITE IS FOR EX-MORMONS TRYING TO ESCAPE THE GRIP OF THE MORMON CULT!  I SUGGEST, DUMB-ASS, IF YOU CAN'T STAND THE HEAT, STAY OUT OF THE KITCHEN, DUMB-ASS! Unless you dumb-asses, as Dr Luciani correctly refers to you, have something constructive to say, or can challenge me intellectually with facts instead of the bullshit you all call "faith", I'll no longer waste my time responding to letters such as this fine example of stupidity laced with abominable English grammar which only further proves how indoctrinated and brainwashed all faithful mormons happen to be.

Another thing that might interest you, sego rozo BOZO, is the little virus you attached to your email was blocked by my firewall which identified you as it's source.  If you or any of your fellow faithful dumb-asses tries to sabotage my site with any virus, worm, trojan, etc.  I assure you we will be discussing it with the Legal Authorities.  You'll be easy to find, having included you email address,  further proof that you're a dumb-ass.  I suggest you get a lawyer before you try that again.

GaVaS  12/12/09

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Dear Gavas,

RE: http://gavas.com/Mormonism.htm

In a word, Thanks.  I really mean it.  Thanks!

Free At Last  (received  12/12/09)

 

Dear Free At Last,

Glad I could help.

GaVaS  12/12/09

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Dear Gavas,

     As you know, I was raised in Catholic schools from pre-school through the end of High School.  I received a good education, much better than my peers in public schools, and I received a scholarship to several Universities that I applied to and some I never heard of.  Some of these scholarships were awarded after I completed my sophomore year in High School.  But I want to help your readers take another perspective of what you're trying do with your Room for EX-mormons. 

     I was also raised in a cult.  A much larger cult than the cult of mormonism.  My cult burned women at the stake as witches for being nothing more than individualists who were less zealous about joining the cult than everyone else.  My cult persecuted the Jews who were scattered through Europe in ways that people in 2009 can't even conceive of or would even believe if you tried to explain it to them.  Believe me, Hitler and Stalin were not the first to attempt genocide against those Jews of yester-year.  The Popes, Cardinals, Bishops, Deacons, and even many Monks of my cult preceded Stalin and Hitler by fifteen hundred years. 

     I was very lucky to get the education I got from the Catholic schools I attended.  It was far superior to public school.  But in Catholic School the brainwashing and mind control that you objected to in your EX-mormon Room began for me in pre-school and by the time I graduated from High School I was so confused I scratched my head whenever my ass itched.  Your readers are missing the intent of what you're saying in your EX-mormon room.  Leaving a cult is very difficult on most people and I applaud you for offering help to EX-mormons because, having taught in Utah for two years, I saw so much resistance to learning on the college level that I was totally amazed.  I couldn't believe so many of my students were afraid of what I was teaching.  In a word, they were programmed to reject everything that contradicted mormonism.

     For all you mormons who have flooded Gavas' email inbox with hate-mail, please allow me to clear something up for all of you dumb- asses.  Gavas is providing a service to EX-mormons.  Gavas is sharing forty plus years of study in Judeo-Christian history. He has studied the world's major religions, and classical as well as renaissance period philosophical thought.  What he is trying to do he does in a way that I think is ingenious not to mention the dry wit and humor one can only appreciate if one actually knows him.  And I do know him.  I know him well enough to know the last thing he intended to do was to offend a single mormon.  I called you dumb-asses because of this reason alone:  Gavas invited EX-mormons to his EX-mormon room to provide a service to people who need help rewiring their minds after the brainwashing they suffered while living in a cult.  He chose mormonism because he was raised a mormon and lives in a part of the country where he is surrounded by mormons.  I've heard him say many nice things about mormons as a people.  But Gavas is also surrounded by many mormons who can't believe all that is taught them in that church.  They are non-believers but are afraid to admit it to themselves because they are so wired in that belief system it is easier to keep quiet and try not to fall into a pit of depression.  It's a huge struggle for them because they are wired to keep what they're feeling bottled up inside.  So if you're not an EX-mormon, you're a dumb-ass who visited where you were not invited, and crashing Gavas' email inbox is not only intrusive but borders on persecution.  Believe me, you'll never change Gavas' thinking with all your nasty attempts to convince him he's wrong.  He not only knows more about mormonism than you do, but has probably also forgotten more about it than you will ever know even if you live another ten lifetimes as a mormon.

     Gavas, I really hope you will publish this letter to the Editor.  Don't be reluctant because we're friends.  I'm with you all the way on this cult business.  As a Psychologist I know very well how damaging cults are to the human soul.  I see it everyday in others, and I still struggle with my own issues as a victim of the cult of Catholicism.  Don't let any of these 'dumb-asses' persuade you to close down and put a lock on that room.  It needs to remain open!

Dr. Liana Luciani   (received 12/10/09)

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Dear Editor,

Thanks to Gavas for pointing out to "Proud 2 b LDS" that your EX-mormon link was an invitation to EX mormons and not practicing mormons.  I left the mormon church thirty one years ago and so much of the garbage I was taught as a child remains with me to this day.  Religious cults rob their members of their own individual identities which is not only criminal, in my opinion, but out-right EVIL when done to children beginning soon after birth.  It's absolutely disgusting!

I must say that I learned so much that I never realized before, and in just a few short pages too, it was amazing!  It not only reinforced my decision to leave the church but was also a lesson in history, Hebrew, mind control and a few other 'factoids', as Gavas calls them.

I imagine Gavas is taking some heat from a lot of mormons over his article as evidenced by the letters I've seen. I hope he will put this letter on the Letters to the Editor because  I would like to say to mormons 'if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen'.  Gavas didn't invite YOU to click this link.  It wasn't intended for YOUR eyes so if you are insulted you have only yourself to blame.  It probably hasn't occurred to you but Gavas provides a wonderful service to EX-mormons. A service that is needed by many EX-mormons because leaving a cult and cleansing one's mind of the lies, the guilt and the fears that were taught them from as far back as they can remember is a difficult task, to say the least, and can take the remainder of ones lifetime to get all that bologna out of their systems.  Gavas has only exposed mormonism as a cult and named others as well and if you disagree with Gavas on anything else he wrote, you can't disagree that mormonism is a CULT.  Because it IS !

Thank you Gavas and God bless you!

Mary LaFavre   (received 11/10/09)

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Dear Editor,

When Gavas is burning in hell I hope they make a video of it so I can watch him scream in eternal agony for the lies he is telling about the true Church of Jesus Christ.

Proud  2 b  LDS  (received  11/03/09)

 

Dear Proud,

How utterly Christian of you!  Indeed, you should be 'Proud' of yourself for such an eloquently expressed opinion and the apparent dignity and integrity that dwells in your heart which I'm sure prompted you to write it.  However, I challenge you, or anyone else for that matter, to point out where I lied about anything.  Furthermore, you 'Proud', self-righteous, sanctimonious, over-baked pot of last century's beans, if you go back to the Quiet Museum  ( click here )  and look at the variety of places you can visit, the one that has you lusting for my eternal burning in hell is actually an invitation to EX-MORMONS, who wish to break the chains of your cherished cult of which you are so 'Proud 2 b . . ." a member.  Perhaps you'd feel  more comfortable and among friends by simply clicking here -->   FOR  THOSE   LESS   CEREBRALLY   ENDOWED

Thanks for writing.  It's been a joy.  Let's do it again sometime.

GaVaS   11 04 09

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Dear Editor,

In his letter to "Annie", Gavas mentioned 'true disciples of Yeshua were forced into hiding in Egypt because they didn't believe that a disciple needed any leaders or preachers.  I'm curious to know if these "true disciples" as he calls them included Mary Magdalene, Philip, Judas Thomas who was call 'the Twin', Jesus' brother James who was called the Righteous and others who authored the Nag Hammadi Texts which are called the "Gnostic Gospels".  I'm also curious, does Gavas believe Jesus is God.

Dennis  (received 10/28/09)

 

Dear Dennis,

Yes.  And I don't know.

GaVaS  11 02 09

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Dear Editor,

I'd like to know what Gavas thinks is a religion that isn't a cult.  It looks to me like he believes every religion is a cult.

Annie A.   (received  10/19/09)

 

Dear Annie,

I believe that any organized religion which spoon-feeds to it's children a belief system that cannot be proven is a cult.  Teaching fear of eternal punishment for being simply human, teaching the oppression of women, forced conversions by Muslims which prompted the Crusades which were commanded by a single man called "Pope" which, in turn prompted counter invasions by Muslims and so on and so on for almost three hundred years. Christian Elders burned witches and scientists at the stake and did the same to other Christians who followed the first Century, Gnostic tradition and lived, rather than preached, the teachings of Christ.  Christian Europe's treatment of the Jews during the middle ages in the name of Christ, stating it lightly, was inhumane, unholy, criminal, and simply evil.  If one is preached such zealotry from childhood, that zealous child, when an adult, will persecute and even kill innocent people, children included, in the name of Christ because their parents just happen to be Jewish, or Moslem, or Gay, or Purple.

I'll say it again . . . Yeshua (Jesus) said "the Kingdom of Heaven is within you."  The first century tradition (present day Gnostics) taught this to their children.  They taught their children that Yeshua treated women as equal to men.  They taught their children to judge others in no case and forgive others in every case and to love God.  They didn't have Bishops, Cardinals, Popes, cathedrals or chapels.  They taught their children a doctrine of love, mercy, forgiveness and grace.  And these true disciples of Yeshua were forced into hiding in Egypt because they didn't believe that a disciple needed any leaders or preachers.  They believed Yeshua when he said "The Kingdom of Heaven is within you."

Thanks for writing,

GaVaS  10 20 09

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So, Gavas,  how did you ever get to be so knowledgeable about the mormons and their beliefs?   Why do you care enough to slam them like you do on your website.  It seems to me that you really have a problem that this mormon thing deserves so much of your criticism.  Did you get beat up by a gang of missionaries or something?  I'm willing to wager you have never even been inside a mormon church.  By the way, Gavas, what underwear do you wear?  Tighty whities or briefs?  Someone should grab the back of them and pull them up over your head.

A. Mormon   (received 10/16/09)

 

Dear A. ,

It might interest you to know that I spent the first fourteen years of my life as an active Mormon and twenty four more years as an inactive Mormon.  Living in Utah, I'm surrounded by Mormons and I must say, for the most part they are good neighbors and their children are well behaved.  My 'problem', as you put it, is mind control.  And if you read the entire article (there are six fairly short pages), then you saw that I don't exclude other sects of Christianity, Moslems or Jews or anyone else where mind control is concerned.  Mormonism, by every definition, is a CULT.  And I do have a problem with CULTS because of the mind control factor involved.  There's an old saying that's so old it's been dated back to the middle ages and probably originated with the Saxons after Christianity successfully invaded Europe:  "The closer you are to the church, the further you are from God."  One's spirituality, in my humblest opinion, should be a relationship between one and his/her God and NOT a relationship between one and his/her church.  Mormon or otherwise.

Thanks for writing . . . .

GaVaS  10 18 09

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